Comments on: Palestine: A strangled people http://www.tadamon.ca/post/1389 Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:25:49 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: morf http://www.tadamon.ca/post/1389/comment-page-1#comment-76977 morf Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:51:49 +0000 http://tadamon.resist.ca/index.php/post/1389#comment-76977 ramy, you're telling this guy to basically, get a clue, and you refer him to what you consider to be some sort of official authoritative source of mideast history, this palestineremembered website, and this source is CLEARLY biased in one direction of the conflict. you seem like a smart guy so i'll let you figure out what i'm getting at. and as for the 1967 war, it started with egypt EXPELLING UN forces who were providing a peace-keeping buffer zone in the sinai, then closing tiran to all israeli ships, amassing soldiers and tanks in the golan heights and declaring unified arab action against israel! after this israel "pre-emptively" struck. how can you ignore these facts when making such a claim as "israel started the 1967 war"? ramy, you’re telling this guy to basically, get a clue, and you refer him to what you consider to be some sort of official authoritative source of mideast history, this palestineremembered website, and this source is CLEARLY biased in one direction of the conflict. you seem like a smart guy so i’ll let you figure out what i’m getting at.
and as for the 1967 war, it started with egypt EXPELLING UN forces who were providing a peace-keeping buffer zone in the sinai, then closing tiran to all israeli ships, amassing soldiers and tanks in the golan heights and declaring unified arab action against israel! after this israel “pre-emptively” struck. how can you ignore these facts when making such a claim as “israel started the 1967 war”?

]]> By: Ramy http://www.tadamon.ca/post/1389/comment-page-1#comment-72173 Ramy Mon, 05 May 2008 21:25:47 +0000 http://tadamon.resist.ca/index.php/post/1389#comment-72173 Bon, You are right that the Arab countries are not making enough effort to help the palestinian people that are under apartheid for the last 60 years. But it seems that you have many misconceptions that I would be happy to clarify it for you. First, regarding Gaza, Israel didn't give Gaza to the Palestinians it actually pulled out the settlers from the occupied land and created a big prison out of it. As you may know, Israel controls the land around Gaza as well as the air and sea. It is impossible to enter food, fuel or medical supplies without the consent of the Israeli occupation. Although they have agriculture and manufacturing, most of the population lives on aid from humanitarian organization because the occupation is not letting them export their goods. Second, Israel treats its Arab population as second class citizens. The arab neiboorhoods are less developed then the jewish populated ones. Arab schools are a world apart in quality from the public schools serving Israel's majority Jewish population. Third, the Palestinians are not able to govern themselves obviously because of all the aspects of occupation I mentioned earlier, but as well because of the ban that the western countries have imposed, starting with Canada, on the Palestinians since they elected democratically their own representatives. Given that the majority elected did not match the desires of the western countries, these countries stopped all aid to the Palestinian civilians to punish them for electing their representatives democratically. Fourth, I think you need to read some war history because most the wars were actually started by Israel, in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1978, 1982, 1996, 2006… The only war that the Arab started was in 1973. To clarify some misconceptions, I recommend that you check this website: http://www.palestineremembered.com/ . They have a link called : Palestinian-Israeli Conflict For Beginners. It is very well done. Hope to see you in the peaceful counter-rally to the 60th anniversary Israel Day celebration : THURDAY MAY 8, 2008 11am Phillips Square (Ste-Catherine & Union) 11:45am Place du Canada (Boul. Rènè Lèvesque & rue de la Cathédrale /Metcalf ) Bon,

You are right that the Arab countries are not making enough effort to help the palestinian people that are under apartheid for the last 60 years. But it seems that you have many misconceptions that I would be happy to clarify it for you.

First, regarding Gaza, Israel didn’t give Gaza to the Palestinians it actually pulled out the settlers from the occupied land and created a big prison out of it. As you may know, Israel controls the land around Gaza as well as the air and sea. It is impossible to enter food, fuel or medical supplies without the consent of the Israeli occupation. Although they have agriculture and manufacturing, most of the population lives on aid from humanitarian organization because the occupation is not letting them export their goods.

Second, Israel treats its Arab population as second class citizens. The arab neiboorhoods are less developed then the jewish populated ones. Arab schools are a world apart in quality from the public schools serving Israel’s majority Jewish population.

Third, the Palestinians are not able to govern themselves obviously because of all the aspects of occupation I mentioned earlier, but as well because of the ban that the western countries have imposed, starting with Canada, on the Palestinians since they elected democratically their own representatives. Given that the majority elected did not match the desires of the western countries, these countries stopped all aid to the Palestinian civilians to punish them for electing their representatives democratically.

Fourth, I think you need to read some war history because most the wars were actually started by Israel, in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1978, 1982, 1996, 2006… The only war that the Arab started was in 1973.

To clarify some misconceptions, I recommend that you check this website: http://www.palestineremembered.com/ . They have a link called : Palestinian-Israeli Conflict For Beginners. It is very well done.

Hope to see you in the peaceful counter-rally to the 60th anniversary Israel Day celebration :

THURDAY MAY 8, 2008
11am Phillips Square
(Ste-Catherine & Union)
11:45am Place du Canada
(Boul. Rènè Lèvesque & rue de la Cathédrale /Metcalf )

]]> By: Bon http://www.tadamon.ca/post/1389/comment-page-1#comment-71894 Bon Sun, 04 May 2008 15:00:36 +0000 http://tadamon.resist.ca/index.php/post/1389#comment-71894 Where r your so called brothers in those other arab countries that blow up innocent people for the sake of the palestinians, if they love there brothers so much where r they in the time of need. I read and c the Hamas org holding back fuel from there brothers not the Israelies. The palestininas wanted Gaza so Israel gave them Gaza and look how they live they caused there own problems. If u don't agree with that statement how come if u ask the average Israeli Arab living in the old city he perfers to live under Israeli rule then his arab leaders (name 1 arab county that gives there people more then the Israelies) the palestininas have been crying for 60yrs over the troubles, they can't even get there government to work properly they use what ever money they get from other nations including Israel and the U.S. and the U.N. and spend it on weapons NOT in helping there people. By the way I ask u who started ALL the wars Israel and lost every single one and have the nerve to cry for the land back. I would love a sound response but I am sure that won't happen. Where r your so called brothers in those other arab countries that blow up innocent people for the sake of the palestinians, if they love there brothers so much where r they in the time of need. I read and c the Hamas org holding back fuel from there brothers not the Israelies. The palestininas wanted Gaza so Israel gave them Gaza and look how they live they caused there own problems. If u don’t agree with that statement how come if u ask the average Israeli Arab living in the old city he perfers to live under Israeli rule then his arab leaders (name 1 arab county that gives there people more then the Israelies) the palestininas have been crying for 60yrs over the troubles, they can’t even get there government to work properly they use what ever money they get from other nations including Israel and the U.S. and the U.N. and spend it on weapons NOT in helping there people. By the way I ask u who started ALL the wars Israel and lost every single one and have the nerve to cry for the land back. I would love a sound response but I am sure that won’t happen.

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