Comments on: Tadamon! supports Dru Oja Jay for MEC board candidacy http://www.tadamon.ca/post/8575 Sat, 30 Jul 2011 12:30:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: roodseuk http://www.tadamon.ca/post/8575/comment-page-1#comment-164273 roodseuk Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:19:05 +0000 http://www.tadamon.ca/?p=8575#comment-164273 Am I the only one who remember how people boycotted South-Africa without much debate ? The boycott then was not questioned much, even if China, Sudan, etc... were (sadly) the same as they are today Explain me how what was legitimate and successful in the 80's is pointless and biased now ? Am I the only one who remember how people boycotted South-Africa without much debate ?
The boycott then was not questioned much, even if China, Sudan, etc… were (sadly) the same as they are today
Explain me how what was legitimate and successful in the 80′s is pointless and biased now ?

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By: Russell http://www.tadamon.ca/post/8575/comment-page-1#comment-161832 Russell Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:30:51 +0000 http://www.tadamon.ca/?p=8575#comment-161832 Anyone who supports the boycotting of Israel without first condemning the practices of China, Libya Burma, Bahrain, Cuba, Pakistan, Nigeria, North Korea, Russia, Sudan, Venezuela, Vietnam and Zimbabwe to name a few, is using this as a cover for anti-Semitism. I will not vote for Dru. Anyone who supports the boycotting of Israel without first condemning the practices of China, Libya Burma, Bahrain, Cuba, Pakistan, Nigeria, North Korea, Russia, Sudan, Venezuela, Vietnam and Zimbabwe to name a few, is using this as a cover for anti-Semitism. I will not vote for Dru.

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By: DC http://www.tadamon.ca/post/8575/comment-page-1#comment-161133 DC Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:20:26 +0000 http://www.tadamon.ca/?p=8575#comment-161133 Thank goodness for this site. I wasn't impressed by Dru's bio in our MEC flyer - it seems heavy on the activism and independent journalism, light on real work experience - but this seals the deal. Sorry BDS folks, after decades and decades of attacks upon Jewish people, they certainly have the right to defend themselves in Israel. I worry about the negative impact these professional activists will have on MEC. Thank goodness for this site. I wasn’t impressed by Dru’s bio in our MEC flyer – it seems heavy on the activism and independent journalism, light on real work experience – but this seals the deal. Sorry BDS folks, after decades and decades of attacks upon Jewish people, they certainly have the right to defend themselves in Israel. I worry about the negative impact these professional activists will have on MEC.

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By: andrew halper http://www.tadamon.ca/post/8575/comment-page-1#comment-157839 andrew halper Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:03:10 +0000 http://www.tadamon.ca/?p=8575#comment-157839 rosa, you are repeating the same old trope: "as a Jew", "in my name" - it might feel emotionally satisfying but it isnt well thought out. You describe the palestinians as the indigenous inhabitants of the land on which israel was built. True. But so were/are the Jews, who have had continuous historical presence there, even if as a minority. And the jews of Iraq, Iran, Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Syria......hundreds of thousands dispossessed by Arab governments -- refugees in France, Canada, Israel and elsewhere. What about them? this is a destructive game, this business of selectively adopting a class of victims. The coop itself is built on land taken from native peoples of the southwest coast of what we now call british columbia. There are unresolved land claims and as a result, you dont feel shame?. And you have adopted the Palestinians as your pet cause? Because, i suggest, "as a jew" you feel guilty/? I too am a jew and I believe in a just two state solution with east jerusalem as capital of a palestinian state. but turning selectively on your own people, identifying only with one side in this bloody complex historical mess....does that feel rational? rosa, you are repeating the same old trope: “as a Jew”, “in my name” – it might feel emotionally satisfying but it isnt well thought out. You describe the palestinians as the indigenous inhabitants of the land on which israel was built. True. But so were/are the Jews, who have had continuous historical presence there, even if as a minority. And the jews of Iraq, Iran, Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Syria……hundreds of thousands dispossessed by Arab governments — refugees in France, Canada, Israel and elsewhere. What about them? this is a destructive game, this business of selectively adopting a class of victims. The coop itself is built on land taken from native peoples of the southwest coast of what we now call british columbia. There are unresolved land claims and as a result, you dont feel shame?. And you have adopted the Palestinians as your pet cause? Because, i suggest, “as a jew” you feel guilty/? I too am a jew and I believe in a just two state solution with east jerusalem as capital of a palestinian state. but turning selectively on your own people, identifying only with one side in this bloody complex historical mess….does that feel rational?

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By: Holden http://www.tadamon.ca/post/8575/comment-page-1#comment-157806 Holden Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:49:51 +0000 http://www.tadamon.ca/?p=8575#comment-157806 Dru should be armed and bring a Hezbollah flag with him to MEC meetings. That way he will reflect the sentiments and wishes of those who support him., in the name of peace, social justice and the extermination of Jews everywhere. Idiot. Dru should be armed and bring a Hezbollah flag with him to MEC meetings. That way he will reflect the sentiments and wishes of those who support him., in the name of peace, social justice and the extermination of Jews everywhere. Idiot.

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By: Jose http://www.tadamon.ca/post/8575/comment-page-1#comment-157702 Jose Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:12:07 +0000 http://www.tadamon.ca/?p=8575#comment-157702 I'm somewhat confused by Dru's position. Is it only products from Source that he is opposed to MEC purchasing from, due to their contracts to supply the military, or is it all Israeli companies he wants to see banned from MEC? Are the goalposts being moved to suggest that any Israeli company benefits from war and occupation? Won't be supporting Dru and will probably vote in the board election just to vote against him. I’m somewhat confused by Dru’s position. Is it only products from Source that he is opposed to MEC purchasing from, due to their contracts to supply the military, or is it all Israeli companies he wants to see banned from MEC? Are the goalposts being moved to suggest that any Israeli company benefits from war and occupation?

Won’t be supporting Dru and will probably vote in the board election just to vote against him.

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By: Jon http://www.tadamon.ca/post/8575/comment-page-1#comment-157445 Jon Tue, 08 Mar 2011 16:04:08 +0000 http://www.tadamon.ca/?p=8575#comment-157445 If you are members of MEC and do not support Dru's position of boycotting, please be aware that Jon Gallo, as one of the other candidates, stands against Dru's position. As another member on this chat mentioned it is unrealistic to single out one country based on geo-political issues beyond the scope of MEC's mandate. We at MEC need to focus on the factories and how they treat their workers and the environment as part of our sourcing policy, not greater geo-political issues that the COOP has no business getting involved in. Lets stay focussed on what makes the COOP great, and not get side tracked on issues that have little to do with the environment, nature, fitness and the outdoors. If you are members of MEC and do not support Dru’s position of boycotting, please be aware that Jon Gallo, as one of the other candidates, stands against Dru’s position. As another member on this chat mentioned it is unrealistic to single out one country based on geo-political issues beyond the scope of MEC’s mandate.

We at MEC need to focus on the factories and how they treat their workers and the environment as part of our sourcing policy, not greater geo-political issues that the COOP has no business getting involved in.

Lets stay focussed on what makes the COOP great, and not get side tracked on issues that have little to do with the environment, nature, fitness and the outdoors.

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By: Annie http://www.tadamon.ca/post/8575/comment-page-1#comment-157399 Annie Tue, 08 Mar 2011 05:54:30 +0000 http://www.tadamon.ca/?p=8575#comment-157399 Correction: When considering the boycott please recognize that it ultimately hurts Palestinian employees who are specifically employed by the social enterprise that has been sourced by MEC to manufacture the high quality goods found in the store. It would be completely counter-intuitive to remove this excellent source of income from a place that goes out of its way to employ both Jews AND Palestinians in an effort to bridge both communities and sew the seeds of understanding between both peoples, in addition to your gear. Correction:
When considering the boycott please recognize that it ultimately hurts Palestinian employees who are specifically employed by the social enterprise that has been sourced by MEC to manufacture the high quality goods found in the store. It would be completely counter-intuitive to remove this excellent source of income from a place that goes out of its way to employ both Jews AND Palestinians in an effort to bridge both communities and sew the seeds of understanding between both peoples, in addition to your gear.

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By: Saib http://www.tadamon.ca/post/8575/comment-page-1#comment-157336 Saib Mon, 07 Mar 2011 18:03:14 +0000 http://www.tadamon.ca/?p=8575#comment-157336 I am a longtime member of MEC. I joined for a number of reasons. Two of these are 1) For the co-op structure which enables and empowers members to have a say in the co-op decision(s) andc2) For the moral and ethical principles that MEC supposedly espouses. Combining these two makes MEC a co-op where the members have a voice/say in determining the direction and decisions of the co-op. Having said that it is obviously unethical to source and support financially a military that maintain a brutal military occupation in contravention of International law. And that same military regularly violates human rights as is reported by all international human rights organizations including Israeli ones. In addition the Israeli military's actions are so unethical that there are a large number of it's own soldiers who are conscientious objectors. If they refuse to support the violations committed by the Israeli military then peace seeking nature lovers should definitely do the same. I am a longtime member of MEC. I joined for a number of reasons. Two of these are 1) For the co-op structure which enables and empowers members to have a say in the co-op decision(s) andc2) For the moral and ethical principles that MEC supposedly espouses. Combining these two makes MEC a co-op where the members have a voice/say in determining the direction and decisions of the co-op. Having said that it is obviously unethical to source and support financially a military that maintain a brutal military occupation in contravention of International law. And that same military regularly violates human rights as is reported by all international human rights organizations including Israeli ones. In addition the Israeli military’s actions are so unethical that there are a large number of it’s own soldiers who are conscientious objectors. If they refuse to support the violations committed by the Israeli military then peace seeking nature lovers should definitely do the same.

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By: KP http://www.tadamon.ca/post/8575/comment-page-1#comment-157331 KP Mon, 07 Mar 2011 17:35:07 +0000 http://www.tadamon.ca/?p=8575#comment-157331 thanks for the info I will definitely boycott Dru. The BD "industry" is predicated on delegitimizing Israel whilst ignoring the real fascist racist states of the world": Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. Where were you all these years when Libya was butchering its citizens? Demonstrating against Israel of course. Hypocrisy!!! "A lie travels around the world faster than a man can put his pants on" Mark Twain thanks for the info I will definitely boycott Dru. The BD “industry” is predicated on delegitimizing Israel whilst ignoring the real fascist racist states of the world”: Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. Where were you all these years when Libya was butchering its citizens? Demonstrating against Israel of course.
Hypocrisy!!!

“A lie travels around the world faster than a man can put his pants on” Mark Twain

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